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Episode 21 is a conversation with my friend Chris Lordan. I met Chris from the hardcore scene when I was a teenager in the suburbs of Massachusetts. We talk about music for the first part of this interview, we also talk about his job in education as well as the book he wrote called The Factory: A Journey Through the Prison Industrial Complex. As you will hear in this episode, Chris is a well spoken, smart and interesting guy with some great ideas and attitudes, a good amount of them developed from his involvment in the hardcore scene early on. 

Listen to this episode, and then answer a trivia question for a chance to win a free copy of The Factory: A Journey Inside the Prison Industrial Complex. Details on that are in the intro to the episode. 

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